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Ingvar Angst Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Crooked Cross	Posted - 2011.02.14 17:21:00 - [1] Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 14/02/2011 17:21:44 Originally by: E man Industries And yes botters pay as well but for every sub a botter represents is 2 people who quit over bots. Aren't they making so much isk that they simply spend some of it on plex instead of paying cash per month?
Ingvar Angst Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Crooked Cross	Posted - 2011.02.17 17:24:00 - [2] Folks, you need to look at the money trail to determine what the outcome will be. So... Botters earn a crap ton of isk. They use this isk to buy plex, thus play for free. People, looking for isk in the game, will use real money to purchase plex which they then sell for isk to the botters (as well as legit players). So... where's that real money going?
Ingvar Angst Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Crooked Cross	Posted - 2011.02.17 17:36:00 - [3] Originally by: Kengutsi Akira How funny would it be if the botters worked for CCP Indirectly, they do. Every plex they trade for is real money in CCPs pockets. That's why there appears to be a conflict of interest. Who knows how much money per month they'd lose if they actually stopped the botters? Would they consider it worth it to do so, or is the real world cash too much to toss aside?
Ingvar Angst Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Crooked Cross	Posted - 2011.02.17 18:53:00 - [4] Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 17/02/2011 18:54:07 Originally by: Myra2007 Originally by: Ingvar Angst Originally by: Kengutsi Akira How funny would it be if the botters worked for CCP Indirectly, they do. Every plex they trade for is real money in CCPs pockets. That's why there appears to be a conflict of interest. Who knows how much money per month they'd lose if they actually stopped the botters? Would they consider it worth it to do so, or is the real world cash too much to toss aside? I don't believe that is a fair judgement. Consider this: evil_botter makes 350m isk per day (~ 1 PLEX). He needs one PLEX per month to sustain the account. That leaves him with at least 10b isk for the regular month. Now what is evil_botter going to do with all that isk? Via third party websites he could sell those isk directly to other players. Let's say he sells 350m isk for 10$ while a PLEX is 15$ (not sure how accurate that is but it's just an example). stupid_joe who needs isk real urgently comes along and is happy to see that he can save $5 on this deal. Now instead of buying a PLEX from CCP for $15 and selling it for 350m on the market he just buys 350m isk directly for only $10. So that COSTS CCP $15! The damage done here is very real. So while the botter may buy 1 PLEX himself he also keeps 29 stupid people from buying a PLEX every single month. Now how exactly does that put CCP in the green? Please explain that to me maybe I just don't get it. Evil botter has more than one account. Evil botter has many accounts. Probably some of those accounts were ones once owned by people that bought the ISK off evil botter in the past. Regardless, evil botter is indirectly paying, through isk, much more than 15 per month. Yes, they're in turn selling isk to players who buy it from them instead of CCP. However, you'll notice that there are a lot more warnings from CCP against buying isk from someone else than there are about botting. However... this is a good point... is the guaranteed income from the bots greater or less than the projected income from real players if the bots didn't exist? If we know that answer, then we know if there's any incentive to remove bots. To be fair... we also can't discount the possibility that it's incredibly difficult to stay ahead of bot coders. Perhaps they're making attempts that are being beaten as fast as they're introduced, I don't know.
Ingvar Angst Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Crooked Cross	Posted - 2011.02.18 16:42:00 - [5] Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas Originally by: Jack Gilligan Whistleblowers tend to get banned for some mythical "EULA Violation" when if you read the EULA (which is probably illegal in many, if not most locales, EULA legality is certainly FAR from established precedent) it is so ridiculously one sided that CCP can ban you for anything they wish and at the same time aren't even obliged to provide you ANYTHING for your sub fees. It is truly that ridiculous. You don't -have- to agree to the EULA. Send them a mail letting them know that you choose not to agree to their terms. Mind you, they might choose not to sell their product to you, but you do have a choice. The EULA specifically states that by entering the game you agree to the EULA. If you choose not to agree, the burden is on you to uninstall the game and not play it. Agreement is required to play, period.
Ingvar Angst Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Crooked Cross	Posted - 2011.02.18 17:27:00 - [6] Originally by: Joshua Cy CCP in the advertisements for EVE claim it has a player run economy. Does it? Or is it a bot run economy? Is CCP guilty of false advertising? Technically, the people running the bots are defined as players, so technically no. However it is bot-supressed.

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